I have published a picture of old olive tree, taken in the Ein Afeq nature reserve, Israel. Suddenly, I received commentaries which were due answers. This way we developed discussion which I'm presenting below:
4:52 PM
Probably an olive tree on a Palestinian's land illegally occupied by an illegal settler.
Still an older species of life than the humans in the area though.
Hi, very good afternoon, Shayne, if you will allow me to tell you that there were always olive groves in Israel, and we do not need anything to put anything that is not ours. From Spain, a greeting
5:23 PM
This olive tree (and many others) was re-planted to Ein Afeq reserve because of road construction all over Galilee. Israeli National parks authority carefully preserves such trees. The Ein Afeq nature reserve is placed in the outskirts of Qiryat Bialik,, one of Haifa suburbs.
The antis-Zionist like You claim whole Israel is Palestinian "stolen land". The history is however, that Muslim authorities (Turkish, Mameluks, Egyptian etc) have stolen Jewish land in Palestine for centuries, by all means, They forced Jewish villagers to leave their land in Galilee and to take shelter in 4 "Shelter Towns", that is Jerusalem, Tzfat, Tiberius and Hebron. The "freed" land was settled by immigrants from Syria, Lebanon and Egypt. For example, Mahmud Abbas' family immigrated from Syria to Tzfat at the end of XIX century. Generally, Galilee was settled under Turkish initiative in the course of XVIII and XIX centuries, while Gaza sanjak (western Palestine and Sinai) was settled under Egyptian ruler Mehmet Ali in the course of his rule from 1830 to 1845. Sudanese settlers from XIX century are seen currently just 25 miles south of Haifa, in their Jisr azZarqa village.
Thank you for that misinformation jose from Spain.
There was always olive groves in that area before Israel, which has only existed since the 40s.
They were there even before the Palestinians,who were living there for many centuries.
It's always good to hear from someone that appreciates the chance to be given an appreciation for factual information instead of zionist propaganda.
From reality, a greeting.
+Shayne Lenin
They were there even before the Palestinians,who were living there for many centuries.
It's correct sentence. Such olive trees' life may last over 1000 years., that is from the time of Crusaders, when Christians and Jews were majority of Galilee population. After Crusaders were expelled, Mamluk sultans were concerned with this majority all over "Plentiful half-moon". As the result, 75% of the population, first of all Christian peasants, starved to death. This fact was uncovered by the archeologic research. In the Palestine, Christian, Jewish and Samaritan population extinguished and turned minority. Nevertheless, Christians and Jews survived in the Galilee.
Shayne Lenin
+Aaron Houseknight correct.
Israel never existed before the 40s.
Shayne Lenin
Israel never existed before the 40s.
-Palestine was created in 1918 by British colonial empire. It never existed before. Muhammad had no acknowledge of Palestine.
So Palestine existed by your own account before Israel,yet Israel keeps taking Palestinian land.
Seems your Israel just wants to keep taking everything.
Britain obtained Palestine Mandate under condition, that the land will be settled by the Jews. Arabs were granted exclusive rights to Transjordan. British broke these conditions and forbade Jewish immigration. British have put Hitler's ally Amin al Husseini to Palestine. Probably, they planned an additional genocide of the Jews in 1948. Amin al Husseini gave main push for Palestinian Naqba (see Benny Morris, the birth of Palestinian refugees’ problem)
…………………….. (here Shayne Lenin quotes very long texts which have little to do with our discussion, and which we have disputed in the past)
I think that what I said tells you everything, we Jews already knew the olive trees and the oil for thousands of years Greetings
I thought the jewish religion says that Israel would only be created after the moshiac returns.
The olive trees must still be on Palestinian land.
Greetings from the emphasis of your contradictions.
That is not true, there may be some controversy about the Jews and we knew the olive tree thousands of years ago and not in the land of Palestine since there was no Palestine in those days of history. Greetings
Shayne Lenin, You feed us by quotes which I have already refuted. Your method is brainwashing, so there makes no sense to discuss with You. Let stop Your lies, distortions and stupid declarations. I'll wipe off Your comments and report abuse. Finally, I came to conclusion, that You is insane person.
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1:21 PM
Revising Your Google+ page, I notice, that russian word "Ostranenie" disappeared from Your cover. In another hand, Putin turned the main hero. Maybe, You're just russian antisemite, paid or voluntary.
6:34 PM
+Shayne Lenin
Well technically as we know that the majority of Palestinians are semitic whereas the majority of Israelis aren't..then it's the Israelis that are anti semitic.
The irony.
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First of all, Your accusation of the Jews is based on race. You tried to escape racism by stating, that "semitic" is linguistic term. So , I've explained, that Hebrew is semitic language. Therefore You have returned to racial accusation.
I've already explained You in the past, that majority of israeli Jews are "technically" semitic,, simply because of 50% of israeli Jews are of mideastern, that is semitic origin Regarding the rest, that is ashkenazi Jews, there's dispute, what percent of us are semitic. Maybe 30% or so. It means, that Your racist condition of racial purity of israeli Jews is not fulfilled. We have less semitic blood, than Palestinians, who are not so "pure" semites, too. You may meet Palestinians with black skin etc. Anyway, more than 50% of israeli Jews are racially semitic.
I've already explained, that the term "antisemitic" is historilc term, which means specifically Jew hatred, and doesn't refer to Arabs. Your irony about Jewish anti-Semites is ignorant.
6:55 PM
Jose, let pay attention:
Shayne Lenin's accusations are racist.
Let's analyse his "innocent" demand, that olive trees must return to Palestine. I've explained, that olive tree which I exposed, is placed in the outskirts of Haifa, that is inside notorious 1949 line, which is legal under conditions of European union. Shayne Lenin's demand means, that whole Israel must turn Palestine. The demand is based on racial purity of the Palestinians and racial impurity of the Jews. Clearly, Shayne Lenin feeds us with his Nazi-like, racist anti-Zionist ideology.
7:01 PM Further analysis of his (her?) quotes implies annihilation of Israel. Shayne Lenin has already threatened Me by total war and advised to go to bunker. Taking into consideration his (her?) sympathy to Iran, it means, that he threatened us by Iranian nuke. Thus, innocent picture of olive tree turns pretext for anti-semitic intimidation.
Semitic
sɪˈmɪtɪk/
adjective
relating to or denoting a family of languages that includes Hebrew, Arabic, and Aramaic and certain ancient languages such as Phoenician and Akkadian, constituting the main subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic family.
2.
relating to the peoples who speak Semitic languages, especially Hebrew and Arabic.
So now I'm a "Russian,anti semitic,paid/not paid,racist"
Damn the accusations just get better.
Judaism is a religion not a race.
Fact.
محمد حشيش (mohamad hasheesh)
Yesterday 9:47 PM
The banner of the war mounted on Muslims everywhere in the parts of the ground
Israel
USA
Some European countries
Russia
Allah says
In the name of of Allah the Merciful
God does not forbid those who have neither faith nor drive you out of your homes, dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loves those
But God forbid who Qatlokm in religion and driven you out of your homes and help you get out on the Zaheroa Tolohm that if any of these are the wrong-doers
Countries that have fought US and US tyranny at the moment
……………
BEAUTIFUL RESERVE
Thank You Jose!
I feel need to explain my harsh reaction to Shayne Lenin's comments. It was not the first discussion. In the course of previous dialogue, Shayne threatened Me by "revenge" and gave advise to go to bunker. Note,his accusations are of racist nature ("we are not semites").The "history" he presents is, at least, one-sided and anti-Zionist. When I explained, that Ein Afeq reserve is placed near Haifa, that is inside recognized Israel's border, Shayne demanded "return" of it to Palestine. That is, his position is complete annihilation of Israel.
